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Backtalk with Daymond John

Businessman and self-made millionaire Daymond John is best known for his ’90s clothing line FUBU–”For Us, By Us.” Most recently, the New York City native appeared on ABC’s popular reality series Shark Tank, where he listened to investment proposals from budding entrepreneurs. The “Godfather of Urban Fashion,” who offers his marketing expertise to some of the world’s leading companies as well as celebrity and business figures is also the author of The Brand Within (Display of Power Publishing; $14.99) and Display of Power (Thomas Nelson; $24.99). John joined Black Enterprise in Atlanta at this year’s Entrepreneur’s Conference and provided attendees with tips on the importance of branding.

You’ve invested in several businesses. What should business owners keep in mind when they’re looking for money from an investor?
I’m here to invest in you, not to train you or teach you. We judge you within the first minute of seeing you–we brand you–whether we’re going to do the deal or not. If I’m going to be a partner with someone for the next year or the next 40 years, the first thing I want to know is, “Do I want to be in business with this person?”

So, you brand people almost immediately. How important is your personal brand to the success of your company?
You’re a brand from the day you’re born. Even before you get to be in a corporation or a business, people invest in your personal brand. Your mind is your product, your actions are your packaging, and the results and your history are how you advertise what you are as a person. Branding is made up of four components–well, three–and you’re lucky if you can get to the fourth. Everything starts out as an item, then it becomes a label, then it becomes a brand. And if you’re lucky enough, it will become a lifestyle.

When did you realize that you could start a clothing line that could potentially be its own brand?
We are faced with opportunities every day. You have to have your antennae up and be ready for them. I grew up around Russell Simmons, Salt-N-Pepa, A Tribe Called Quest, LL Cool J, and Run-DMC. I would go on tour as their roadie and I would be wearing a product that I had bought and had tailored, and the kids wanted to buy the clothes off my back. I said [to myself,] “I could sew a straight line, I could make this.”

In 1992, I stood out on the corner of Jamaica Avenue in New York and sold about $800 worth of hats that cost me about $70 to make. So I created this idea of FUBU and made 10 shirts. I sat on video sets and got the product in 15 videos. I started realizing that this was hip-hop. It was something you did, something you lived.

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But fashion is notoriously fickle. What happens when your brand falls out of favor?

The lifespan of a brand is three to five years, and from 1995 to 2004 people had about 10 years’ worth of FUBU in their closets. It was the brand that your uncle or dad wore, so you don’t want that to be your brand as you grow older. We understood that. So we pulled it out of the market and started concentrating overseas. It became the No. 1 brand in South Korea and Saudi Arabia–they really loved our culture. During that time I acquired Coogi, DrunknMunky, Willie Esco–about 10 brands. Now all the kids are requesting FUBU because the ’80s and ’90s styles are coming back, so we’re slowly bringing it back into the market.

What has the process taught you?
It’s a learning curve, and the only thing that costs more than education is ignorance. At my first trade show in Vegas I got $400,000 worth of orders for FUBU. It was amazing, but you have to understand the ignorance. I had suitcases ready to pack my money. But it was just an order, not cash. I had to figure out how to fill these orders, fund them, and ship them. I had to go back home and take out a second mortgage on my home. If you don’t invest time in learning the business, you will make grave mistakes that you may not be able to get out of.

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